Why Is Microsoft Removing My MVP Status?

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It was only two and a half months ago when I wrote about receiving my Microsoft MVP award. I was quite honored to receive this award.

In a follow-up comment to that post, rich with unintentional foreshadowing, I mentioned the following…

However, I would like to hit up that MVP conference in Redmond before doing anything to cause my MVP status to be dropped.

Unfortunately, I will not be retaining my MVP status long enough for the MVP conference. I have committed an action that has forced Microsoft’s hand in this matter and they must remove my MVP status.

To understand why this is the case, I must refer you to the Microsoft MVP FAQ which states the following in the fifth question…

Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on Microsoft’s behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in technical communities.

Starting on October 15, 2007, I will join the ranks of Microsoft as an employee, thus putting myself in violation of this rule.

Don’t worry about me dear friend. I will cope well with this loss of status. I don’t hold Microsoft to blame.

Well, that’s not true. I do hold them to blame. While in Redmond recently, Scott Guthrie (aka ScottGu) showed me a rough prototype of a cool MVC framework they are working on for a future version of ASP.NET. When I saw it, I told Scott,

I want to work on that. How can I work on that?

So yes, I do blame Microsoft. I blame Microsoft for showing me something to which I absolutely could not resist contributing. I will be starting soon as a Senior Program Manager in the ASP.NET team.

I will continue to work from Los Angeles while we work on selling our house, which unfortunately is bad timing as housing prices have taken a bit of a dive around here. Once we have things settled over here, we’ll pack our things and move up to Seattle.

I’ll be in Seattle the week of October 15 for New Employee Orientation and to meet the rest of the team, so hopefully we can have another geek dinner/drink (I’m looking at youBrad,Scott,Peli, et all).

On the other side of the coin, work has been really fun lately at Koders, especially with the release of Pro Edition and the rails work I’ve been doing lately, so leaving is not easy, despite my short tenure. It’s a great company to work for and I wish them continued success.

My last day is this Wednesday and I will be taking a short break in between jobs to spend time with the family, travel, and get the house ready to sell.

As for Subtext, I will continue to contribute my spare moments leading the charge towards making it a fantastic blogging platform. When you think about it, joining the ASP.NET team is really just a clever ploy to make Subtext even better by being able to influence the underlying platform in a direction that makes it a joy to write code and tests for it. Yeah, I said tests. Of course, my goal would be to make every app built on ASP.NET, not just Subtext, better (and more testable as a contributing factor to being better) due to the work that we do.

Wish me luck in that endeavor.

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110 responses

  1. Avatar for Adam Kinney
    Adam Kinney September 17th, 2007

    Sounds like a great position for you and I look forward to seeing you around campus more often :)

  2. Avatar for Jon Limjap
    Jon Limjap September 17th, 2007

    Wow! Congrats, Phil! I hope that with you on board, Microsoft will manage to come up with a real MVC framework, not a toy one!

  3. Avatar for Alex James
    Alex James September 17th, 2007

    I was awarded an MVP at the same time as you, and then promptly announced I was going to becoming an employee... flying up from NZ to Redmond in early October, my start date is 22nd.
    We should definitely do lunch ;)

  4. Avatar for Scott Bellware
    Scott Bellware September 17th, 2007

    Dude! You totally violated the MVP logo license agreement by putting that red "x" through it! If you weren't already on your way out, I'd be so offended at this egregious transgression!!!

  5. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 17th, 2007

    @Adam Me too!
    @Jon Limjap - Well what I've seen so far is pretty impressive. In fact, I may arrive just in time to take credit for everyone else's hard work. ;)
    @Scott - Doh! My apologies. I removed the image. It was intended as a joke at my own expense as I'm on the way out and I thought would fall under fair use, but I should have read the license agreement more carefully. I had no intentions of offending.

  6. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 17th, 2007

    @Alex I'll be back in L.A. on the 22. But when I return to Seattle, definitely.

  7. Avatar for Scott Bellware
    Scott Bellware September 17th, 2007

    Are you kidding? You took me seriously... ah crap. I shoulda put an "LOL" or something a the end. I'm the last guy to be offended by something like that. Sorry for causing the confusion!

  8. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 17th, 2007

    Ah fuck, you really had me Scott! That's the problem when you don't use the damn smiley. I've never had the pleasure of meeting you in person and I recently pissed several other people off (not all on this blog) so I'm treading lightly these days. A bit gunshy if you will.

  9. Avatar for Jon Galloway
    Jon Galloway September 17th, 2007

    Congrats on losing your MVP status to work on ASP MVC. WTG!

  10. Avatar for Kevin Dente
    Kevin Dente September 17th, 2007

    Congrats, Phil. That's great news - for all of us. We need more people beating the testability drum in the big house.
    Moving from LA to Seattle, though - weather culture shock? :)

  11. Avatar for Scott Bellware
    Scott Bellware September 17th, 2007

    You might be doing some people a favor by pissing them off. Sort of like a sadistic bhodisatva. Just don't take pleasure in it. Sometimes when I start writing a blog I say a little prayer, "This is going to hurt you more than it hurts me..." :)
    Anyway, good look at Microsoft.

  12. Avatar for Steve Trefethen
    Steve Trefethen September 17th, 2007

    Congrats! I look forward to even more cool stuff. You're just the latest in a string of ASP.NET talent MS is gobbling up.

  13. Avatar for Scott
    Scott September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations ... I guess. ;) Maybe you can be the one to drive the stake through the heart of the page lifecycle?
    Maybe we'll have to set up a standing geek dinner the week there is a NEO on campus?

  14. Avatar for Rob Conery
    Rob Conery September 17th, 2007

    Good job BITCH! No I have a buddy "on the inside"! This is awesome stuff - another Blue Badge!

  15. Avatar for Joe Pruitt
    Joe Pruitt September 17th, 2007

    First Hanselman, now you... Pretty soon every open source blog software worth it's salt will be run by MS employees B-).
    When you get up here, shoot me an email and we'll grab lunch some time.
    BTW, You know that you'll have to become a Sounders fan now don't you!!!
    Congrats and good luck with selling the house and the move.

  16. Avatar for Derek
    Derek September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations -- being born and raised in the Northwest, I love the weather here (a little variety is a good thing). That said, you'll be arriving during the dark and rainy months that some NW transplants find a bit ... well, depressing. Best of luck.
    Oh, and Sequim is pronounced "skwim".

  17. Avatar for Joe Pruitt
    Joe Pruitt September 17th, 2007

    I just left a comment and it said it was flagged as spam. Not sure if it was the Hanselman reference or the point of you becoming a Sounders fan. Either way, congrats and give me a ring when you get up here.

  18. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 17th, 2007

    I'm not too concerned about the weather. After all, before moving to L.A. I lived in Alaska for several years. If I can do Alaska, I can do Seattle. My wife, on the other hand...
    Sounders? (Rolls eyes)

  19. Avatar for Mike Minutillo
    Mike Minutillo September 17th, 2007

    Congrats Phil. Everything that really needs to be said has already been said by others but I wanted to chuck in my 2 cents. Will you be turning the ex-MVP logo in a T-Shirt or something now. Limited run, they could be worth a mint.

  20. Avatar for Wessam Zeidan
    Wessam Zeidan September 17th, 2007

    Wow, I never saw that comming...Congrats Phil.

  21. Avatar for Ray Booysen
    Ray Booysen September 17th, 2007

    Well done Phil! :)

  22. Avatar for Simone Busoli
    Simone Busoli September 17th, 2007

    Great and sad to see you going!

  23. Avatar for Diago
    Diago September 17th, 2007

    Well done! Congratulations! Well deserverd. Your work on SubText has been brilliant and I believe you will add great value to the ASP.Net team.

  24. Avatar for Ben Hall
    Ben Hall September 17th, 2007

    Cool!! Nice one mate!
    Can't wait to see this MVC framework, sure it will be cool.

  25. Avatar for CodeClimber
    CodeClimber September 17th, 2007

    Yet another active community member joins Microsoft

  26. Avatar for Simone Chiaretta
    Simone Chiaretta September 17th, 2007

    Congratulation Phil: two big achievements in just one year.

  27. Avatar for Si Philp
    Si Philp September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations Phil :)

  28. Avatar for DotNetKicks.com
    DotNetKicks.com September 17th, 2007

    You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from DotNetKicks.com

  29. Avatar for Gavin Joyce
    Gavin Joyce September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations, this is a great coup for MS. Looking forward to working with the MVC framework.

  30. Avatar for Remmus
    Remmus September 17th, 2007

    Another great voice of the community taken into the Microsoft fold. You have to give Microsoft kudos in grabbing all you guys over the recent months.

  31. Avatar for Picacodigos
    Picacodigos September 17th, 2007

    CONGRATS, MAN! I'm literally green with envy. But in a good way. =)

  32. Avatar for Wiennat
    Wiennat September 17th, 2007

    Congrats, Phil :)

  33. Avatar for Gokhan Demir
    Gokhan Demir September 17th, 2007

    wow ! Congratulations Phil..good luck there :)

  34. Avatar for Aaron Lerch
    Aaron Lerch September 17th, 2007

    Congrats Phil! Hope all goes well with the house sale.

  35. Avatar for Rams
    Rams September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations Phil! After Scott H, I was wondering when you would be called up. Keep up the good work and look forward to seeing the "cool" framework

  36. Avatar for Jayson Knight
    Jayson Knight September 17th, 2007

    You've certainly earned it my friend...congrats!

  37. Avatar for Sergio
    Sergio September 17th, 2007

    Great move Phil. I'm glad to see MS hiring people that are active and have a good perspective on our community. Be prepared to sustain the automatic criticism that we will sure lay on this framework. It doesn't matter if sucks or rocks, now does it? :)

  38. Avatar for Craig
    Craig September 17th, 2007

    What's that giant sucking sound? Another one joins the Borg. Don't worry: I hear the implant doesn't hurt...much. :)
    Enjoy your new gig! Congrats!

  39. Avatar for Mads Kristensen
    Mads Kristensen September 17th, 2007

    Congrats buddy. That's great news for all of us using ASP.NET. I'm sure you will raise the bar and kick ass where need be.

  40. Avatar for Dimitri Glazkov
    Dimitri Glazkov September 17th, 2007

    Et tu, Brute?
    Oh, well. Congratulations on the upcoming assimilation. I am glad to hear that Microsoft is still alive and certainly hope they realize that folks like you and Scott is what can power them back to the game.
    And now I have someone to bug with my crazy ideas about how things _should_ work in the awful mess that is ASP.NET 2.0 :)

  41. Avatar for Matt Blodgett
    Matt Blodgett September 17th, 2007

    Congrats, Phil!
    Who's next? Conery, Atwood, Galloway...

  42. Avatar for James Avery
    James Avery September 17th, 2007

    Congrats! The conversation the other day makes even more sense now. :)

  43. Avatar for Andre
    Andre September 17th, 2007

    You had me fooled for a sec! Congrats!

  44. Avatar for Sonu Kapoor
    Sonu Kapoor September 17th, 2007

    That was a tricky post title :)
    Congrats for the new job.

  45. Avatar for Kevin Dente
    Kevin Dente September 17th, 2007

    BTW - when are we gonna get to see some of that MVC goodness. I'm digging into MonoRail now, interested to see what the Big House comes up with in this area.

  46. Avatar for Brian Donahue
    Brian Donahue September 17th, 2007

    Wow! Microsoft is absorbing all the "ALT.NET" contingent. Next will be Scott Bellware (that'll be an accomplishment!)
    Congrats. Adding you to the MVC team gives me a bit more hope that it won't suck. As Ayende has said before, it always seems that MS rebuilds open source and competing products but makes them more complex and harder to use. Hopefully you can help them keep it simple - we don't need drag and drop! :)

  47. Avatar for Jay Flowers
    Jay Flowers September 17th, 2007

    Through the working of Great Compassion
    in your heart,
    May you have happiness
    and the causes of happiness,
    May you be free from sorrow
    and the causes of sorrow;
    May you never be separated from the
    sacred happiness, which is sorrowless;
    And may you live in equanimity,
    Without too much attachment
    and too much aversion;
    and live believing in the equality of
    all that lives.

  48. Avatar for kevin
    kevin September 17th, 2007

    congrats phil! microsoft picked up another good guy and a great resource.
    now about that MVC framework you were discussing...

  49. Avatar for Scott
    Scott September 17th, 2007

    I wrote up a survival guide to Seattle a while back when Dave Winer announced he was moving up here.
    The part about the grid is true, but it has unintended consequences. For a while I lived near the corner of 45th NE st. and NE 45 ave. It extends to the eastside too, I once got directions to the corner of 124th NE and NE 124th.

  50. Avatar for Jason Monroe
    Jason Monroe September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations! Well Done! Bravo! Etc, etc, etc. Really happy for you. In as far as the weather, truthfully, I miss the north west. The air tastes better. The mountains and the trees are wonderful!

  51. Avatar for Steven Harman
    Steven Harman September 17th, 2007

    I hear the Koolaide tastes like Schnozberries!
    Congrats buddy!
    And say... since you won't be needing that MVP status anymore, why don't you just drop over here?

  52. Avatar for Keyvan Nayyeri
    Keyvan Nayyeri September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations buddy :-)
    I'm sure we can see something great coming out from Microsoft after a long time. In the recent 3-4 years, none of MS development products could attract me very much!

  53. Avatar for Karthik Hariharan
    Karthik Hariharan September 17th, 2007

    Congrats! This is great news! I can't wait to see the great things come out of Redmond in the next few years because of amazing community hires like you!
    This just further re-affirms my opinion that MSFT is in the midst of a massive cultural shift for the better.

  54. Avatar for Steven Smith
    Steven Smith September 17th, 2007

    Congrats, Phil! Looking forward to meeting you in person some time soon, and seeing your work with the ASP.NET team.

  55. Avatar for Travis Illig
    Travis Illig September 17th, 2007

    Freaking ROCKIN'. Can't wait to see the stuff you'll be cranking out.
    Too awesome, man. Too awesome.

  56. Avatar for Steve Wright
    Steve Wright September 17th, 2007

    Congrats Phil, seems like everyone is heading to Washington these days...

  57. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 17th, 2007

    Wow! Thanks for the great response everyone! I really appreciate the well wishes. It makes me even more fired up for this move. :)

  58. Avatar for Wyatt Barnett
    Wyatt Barnett September 17th, 2007

    Congrats Phil.
    WRT SubText, it is kind of funny. It's parent (.TEXT) was originally the microsoft blogging platform.

  59. Avatar for Scott Hanselman
    Scott Hanselman September 17th, 2007

    Congrats, I totally saw it coming, because, of course, your name was on the whiteboard in the office while I was taking to my recruiter. Awesome.
    Let's email off-blog and coordinate another Nerd Dinner, eh? Not looking forward to seeing ME are you? ;(

  60. Avatar for Steff
    Steff September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations, Phil! We are so happy for you (yet sad that we'll be missing you in so Cal.) Yet another reason to move to Seattle...

  61. Avatar for Brad Abrams
    Brad Abrams September 17th, 2007

    I am very excited that Phil Haak is joining the ASP.NET product team... He will bring a wealth of industry

  62. Avatar for Filini
    Filini September 17th, 2007

    Congratulations!!!! :-)

  63. Avatar for Chris Frazier
    Chris Frazier September 17th, 2007

    awesome, Phil. Congrats!

  64. Avatar for Scott Galloway
    Scott Galloway September 18th, 2007

    Congratulations Phil, the Kool Aid makes you feel a bit funny at first but you get used to it :-) The new MVC framework will be awesome!

  65. Avatar for Jan Van Ryswyck
    Jan Van Ryswyck September 18th, 2007

    Congratulations man. You know, I'm really looking forward to see this MVC FW in ASP.NET. Knowing that you and Scott will make this happen assures me that this would be awesome. Good Luck

  66. Avatar for Miguel de Icaza
    Miguel de Icaza September 18th, 2007

    Congratulations Phil!

  67. Avatar for Jay Kimble
    Jay Kimble September 18th, 2007

    Dangit Phil!
    Now I have to move you out of my .NET Bloggers Category in my RSS Reader to my MS Bloggers category... it's getting a little crowded in there...
    Seriously, Good deal, Man! I'm happy to have been converted to MBUnit by ya...

  68. Avatar for Top ASP.NET Items
    Top ASP.NET Items September 18th, 2007

    I am very excited that Phil Haak is joining the ASP.NET product team... He will bring a wealth of industry

  69. Avatar for Keyvan Nayyeri
    Keyvan Nayyeri September 18th, 2007

    After Scott Hanselman , now Microsoft hires Phil Haack to show that they still hire best guys around

  70. Avatar for Hank Wallace
    Hank Wallace September 18th, 2007

    Congrats Phil!
    An MVC framework for ASP.NET? Now I am curious too. We are about to start a new project here and are wondering what is the best way to inject a MVC into our web client?! Damn!

  71. Avatar for Jeffrey Palermo
    Jeffrey Palermo September 18th, 2007

    Good for you. I would also love to work on the MVC framework. Up to know, I've have a few discussions about the MVC framework, and I've seen the prototype code. Feel free to ping me with any questions. This is an area I would definitely like to use my MVP status to give input to Redmond. I _really_ want Microsoft to do this one well in version 1.0.
    Congratulations on your move.

  72. Avatar for Erik Porter
    Erik Porter September 18th, 2007

    Congrats, man! Look me (and Adam) up for lunch some time after you're settled in. :) I'd wish you luck, but you don't need it. Enjoy the ride!

  73. Avatar for Jason Gaylord
    Jason Gaylord September 18th, 2007

    Congrats! If you're ever looking for input, be sure to ping me.

  74. Avatar for Paul Duggan
    Paul Duggan September 18th, 2007

    Nice one Phil. Enjoy your time in Seattle. btw Koders is looking real good.

  75. Avatar for Judah Himango
    Judah Himango September 18th, 2007

    Congrats, Phil!

  76. Avatar for Kent Sharkey
    Kent Sharkey September 18th, 2007

    I'm conflicted, but for now I'll just congratulate you, and wish you all the best in your efforts at the Fish Shoppe. I'm looking forward to your new MVC stuff.

  77. Avatar for Phil Unplugged
    Phil Unplugged September 18th, 2007

    Moving to Redmond, Washington...Eventually

  78. Avatar for Stefano Demiliani
    Stefano Demiliani September 18th, 2007

    Congratulation for this new work Phil... but please please don't forget SubText. Keep up the project!! :)

  79. Avatar for Sam Gentile
    Sam Gentile September 18th, 2007

    Thank God for coffee.... Astoria/Orcas/Data Services The Astoria September 2007 CTP is now available

  80. Avatar for Boris Yeltsin
    Boris Yeltsin September 18th, 2007

    This is great news. It's good to see MS snapping up all the top (ASP).NET community folks. People who really understand the platform and have been poking around finding all the serious weaknesses. I know you can do an awesome job with the other new recruits in making the platform much better for us guys.
    Scottgu is making some very smart moves. The developer division is definitely the best-managed division in Microsoft. For one, it LISTENS.

  81. Avatar for Omar Shahine
    Omar Shahine September 19th, 2007

    Congrats, with you and Scott now at MSFT I may actually meet you both :-)

  82. Avatar for StrangeLog - Il blog di Andrea
    StrangeLog - Il blog di Andrea September 19th, 2007

    Phil Haack @ Microsoft

  83. Avatar for Sonu on .NET
    Sonu on .NET September 19th, 2007

    I am honestly not suprised at all to see that Phil Haack is going to join Microsoft . He is one of those

  84. Avatar for Rudi
    Rudi September 19th, 2007

    Geesh, not another one!
    Big congratulations Phil. I do hope you keep up the blogging and the excellent work on Subtext. It feels like all the good guys are moving to Seattle, first there was Jonathan (aka Peli), then Bart De Smet, Scott (not sure who was first to move) and now you.
    But I'll be looking forward to your new blog-posts.

  85. Avatar for John Lam
    John Lam September 19th, 2007

    Congratulations, Phil! Make sure you drop by to say hi once you get settled in up here.

  86. Avatar for Matt Fraser
    Matt Fraser September 20th, 2007

    Congrats Phil! I just went thru NEO this week after moving from LA. I was just commenting to Scott a couple weeks ago that I had never managed (ok, initiated) to get together with you while I was down there. Definitely get in touch. Where will you be working, 42?

  87. Avatar for Scott Dorman
    Scott Dorman September 21st, 2007

    Phil Haack moving to Microsoft

  88. Avatar for Andrew Stopford's Weblog
    Andrew Stopford's Weblog September 21st, 2007

    I was away on vacation this week and when ever I go away the week is eventful, I came back to the news

  89. Avatar for Bil Simser
    Bil Simser September 21st, 2007

    For a moment there, I thought uh-oh, we're going to have another MVP war on our hands. Then I got to part where you took the red pill. So what, you can't do something original? Hanselman gets drafted so you have to too? ;)

  90. Avatar for Sean Chambers
    Sean Chambers September 22nd, 2007

    A couple of days ago Phil made this posting stating that he is going to Seattle to join Microsoft. He

  91. Avatar for Sean Chambers
    Sean Chambers September 22nd, 2007

    A couple of days ago Phil made this posting stating that he is going to Seattle to join Microsoft. He

  92. Avatar for Nino Benvenuti
    Nino Benvenuti September 23rd, 2007

    Congratuations, Phil. I'm looking forward to hearing about the MVC framework.

  93. Avatar for Tim Haines
    Tim Haines September 23rd, 2007

    Sweet dude! Double thumbs up. Hmmm - I'll be a little perplexed if you do a kick ass job after this time I've invested learning monorail. ;-) All the best!

  94. Avatar for Haacked
    Haacked September 24th, 2007

    @Tim - the investment in learning Monorail is one well spent. It's the principle of "Separation of Concerns" that is really the important lesson.

  95. Avatar for Niels Hansen
    Niels Hansen September 26th, 2007

    Congrats Phil. I'm been so busy I forgot to check my RSS reader in a couple of weeks to hear the great news! LA will miss you!!
    We'll need to do lunch when I am up there. I was on campus several times the last two years but its slowed down now as the product we've been working on with is about to release near the end of the year.
    Again congrats!!

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