Announcing Let Me Bing That For You

Despite what your well intentioned elementary school teachers would have liked you to believe, there is such a thing as a stupid question, and you probably get them all the time via email or IM.

You also know that in half the time it takes to type the question, the person pestering you could have typed the query in their favorite search engine and received an answer immediately.

Let me Google that for you addressed this little annoyance by providing a passive aggressive means to tell annoying question askers to bugger off while at the same time teaching them the power of using a search engine to help themselves.

lmbtfyWhen I first heard about the Microsoft’s new search engine, Bing, I jumped at purchasing the domain name http://letmebingthatforyou.com/ (though I was remiss in not also registering lmbtfy.com as well. If you own that domain, may I buy it off of you?)

Unfortunately, being way too busy caused me to leave the domain name unused gathering dust until I put out a call on Twitter for help. Not long after Maarten Balliauw and Juliën Hanssens answered the call and put together the bulk of this ASP.NET MVC application using jQuery and jQuery UI.

I really like what they did in that the background image for http://letmebingthatforyou.com/ changes daily to match the one on bing.com. I finally found some time to review the code, do a bit of clean-up, fix some minor issues, and test it so I am now ready to deploy it.

Keep in mind that even though I’m employed by Microsoft, this site is a pet project I’m doing on the side in collaboration with Maarten and Juliën and is in not associated with Microsoft nor Bing in any official capacity. We’re just some folks doing this for fun.

Now go try it out and release your inner snarkiness.

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Requesting Gravatar... Tim Franklin Oct 16, 2009 1:28 PM
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Love it!
Requesting Gravatar... Kim Oct 16, 2009 1:46 PM
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Ahahaha, pretty cool :P
Requesting Gravatar... mark Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM
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what the? is this legal?
Requesting Gravatar... Dan Dumitru Oct 16, 2009 3:30 PM
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So you guys did nothing but copy the lmgtfy.com idea step by step?
And you're proud of that?
Requesting Gravatar... Emmanuel Morales Oct 16, 2009 4:32 PM
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It was only a matter of time. ;)

BTW, the Google version is slightly faster, or at least feels that way. I think you should start the querying animation right away to change that.
Requesting Gravatar... HappyAndyK Oct 16, 2009 5:00 PM
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Awesome :) Featured on my website!
Requesting Gravatar... Marko Oct 16, 2009 5:45 PM
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I really like your blog and everything you done for asp.net community..but, what starting to piss me off, is anything I will see from ms kitchen will be ORIGINAL, EVER? Or it is just gonna be this way, something someone put and create from other companies or open source community and ms get this and create his own version of that.

Why do we (f..ng) need another version of this quite imaginative and funny idea, but now for bing search engine? It's a litlle bit pathetic, don't you think? (put on the side that I like it more how you implemented)...so, when it's gonna stop and when we see a new, ORIGINAL stuff coming from MS? :( :(

really disappointed
Marko

p.s. http://tinyurl.com/yj2znbu
Requesting Gravatar... abeer balah Oct 16, 2009 6:21 PM
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coooool, like it
thanks samer
Requesting Gravatar... Pathetic Idea Oct 16, 2009 7:47 PM
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Does not solve any purpose nor innovative. Let's stop duplicating stuff.
Requesting Gravatar... Joey Oct 16, 2009 9:33 PM
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Now if you could use the nice Aero cursor instead of the ancient old Windows one ... :-)
Requesting Gravatar... Matthew Oct 16, 2009 11:53 PM
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Wow! Can't believe how many people are pissed about "duplicating stuff" and "not original". Don't they realize that most art is copying others? You think everything Bob Ross did was original!? Was the MVC Framework even that original!? A bunch of haters is all...

Anyways, I'm here to actually try to help instead of just criticize your awesome new web app...

If you include quotes in your query, it kills the site with a big yellow ASP.NET exception message:

letmebingthatforyou.com/what%20if%20I%20put%20s...

Hope this helps.
Requesting Gravatar... Mohammad Azam Oct 16, 2009 11:54 PM
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Hi,

There is an accessibility issue with the UI design. When you click search the tiny url appears with the orange background and there is no way to easily select the URL.

There is a small link of the same URL at the bottom of the message which works but there should be some way to select the large font URL.
Requesting Gravatar... Haacked Oct 17, 2009 1:31 AM
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@Marko Thanks for commenting. First of all, this site wasn't created by Microsoft. It was a weekend project by three guys who thought it'd be a funny parody.

You ask the question (paraphrasing), "Why do we need this?".

Why get upset about it? Let the market decide. If it's not for you, don't visit the site. It's a principle called the law of two feet. Many people felt the same way about Twitter (Why do we need this!). Apparently, there are people who do like it. Why rain on their parade?

Second, regarding your point about ORIGINAL, is any innovation really original? I'd say most of the ORIGINAL innovations you see are actually copies and refinements of existing ideas.

C# was seen as a copy of Java, but later, Java copied the Attributes (annotations in Java) and generics from C#. Innovation is one big stewing pot.

Google for example, was a copy of other search engines, but they innovated by streamlining the UI and copying an existing mathematical concept of weighted network nodes and applied it to the web.

Windows copied Mac which copied Xerox Parc (which you could argue truly invented something original, though they did copy the physical desk ;)

Now, I'm not putting letmebingthatforyou.com in the same category as these things. Those are capital "I" innovations. With letmebingthatforyou.com, we've made some tiny refinements. We auto shrink the URL using TinyUrl and we dynamically update the background to match Bing.com.

Over time, maybe we'll hopefully make some more refinements and make this less a blatant rip-off. After all, this was done on a lark over a weekend.

My point in all this is if we as a industry stop copying each other, innovation comes to a grinding halt. It's the basis for the entire process of innovation,as long as we also make improvements and refine on the existing ideas.

So I say to you and @Pathetic Idea, I'm not going to stop duplicating ideas. I'm going to duplicate, and try to improve. Sometimes I will fail. But once in a while, I'll succeed. But it's better than not trying at all.

I'd love to hear about what innovative things you've done recently.
Requesting Gravatar... Sean Oct 17, 2009 6:07 AM
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Oh come on, nice wordy retort there, but this 'lark' was certainly not an improvement on the original. It merely recycles someone else's idea in an attempt to pimp bing, and no amount of future changes are going to stop it from being the blat rip-off it is.

It's not twitter, or google, or C# so whether they are original or not is immaterial. Also, why does the commenter have to have done anything original to earn the right to critique? They are just calling a spade a spade.

Requesting Gravatar... rtpHarry Oct 17, 2009 6:16 AM
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Hey Phil, nice idea done well. I had seen the google version and I was tempted to use it a couple of times but when I start thinking about using it then its time to stop doing the forums for the day :)

Some friendly constructive criticism you might want to put on your todo list:
- In firefox the search box is bigger, the gap between the go button and the bottom of the text box is taller than other paddings.
- the www and non-www versions both serve content, i know you probably aren't too concerned about the seo with this project but its better to have 301's from one to another
- if you click back from bing to your site the textbox is filled out with the search query. the animation still works and it overwrites ok. i dont know if this is fixable or a browser 'feature'?
- i noticed that you don't block the redirect pages with a noindex or robots.txt
- the "Type in a question and click the search button" text is transparent along with the background in Firefox. With today's picture it was a little hard to read.

ok im done :)
Requesting Gravatar... Eber Irigoyen Oct 17, 2009 6:47 AM
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kinda funny you can mess up with the query as it's typing it
Requesting Gravatar... Haacked Oct 17, 2009 8:30 AM
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@Sean the way I see it, I've given the smart-asses of the world a choice in search engines. ;)
Requesting Gravatar... Sean Oct 17, 2009 9:42 AM
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See, now that I can understand. It's not copy-catting, it's freedom of choice!
Requesting Gravatar... Haacked Oct 17, 2009 1:59 PM
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@Sean, no, it's probably both. ;)
Requesting Gravatar... Matt Hinze Oct 17, 2009 2:03 PM
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My dad used to say, there's no such this as a stupid question, only an inquisitive idiot.
Requesting Gravatar... Jason Oct 18, 2009 10:31 AM
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The idea is a pretty unoriginal marketing attempt. Then again, Microsoft is usually playing catch-up and stealing ideas.
Requesting Gravatar... Lee Timmins Oct 18, 2009 10:28 PM
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Jason just like your argument i pretty unoriginal. I think we've all heard the Microsoft stealing ideas stuff before. Phil mentions this project is his own personal side project and just because he works for Microsoft doesn't mean it should be associated with them.
Requesting Gravatar... Suprotim Oct 18, 2009 11:46 PM
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Good job!

A user pointed out that when searching for C++ using http://www.letmebingthatforyou.com/, it converts to C

Requesting Gravatar... Lee Timmins Oct 19, 2009 12:58 AM
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"Jason just like your argument i pretty unoriginal" - the i should be is and then it makes abit more sense :).
Requesting Gravatar... Robert Harvey Oct 19, 2009 1:03 AM
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Why rehash a bad idea?

LMGTFY causes no end of consternation on StackOverflow, where being snarky for asking a simple question has been elevated to an art form, by people wanting to feel superior I guess. Whatever happened to civility?

The issue has become so thorny that it has spurred a lenthy dialog on meta.stackoverflow.com: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=lmgtfy
Requesting Gravatar... Haacked Oct 19, 2009 5:38 AM
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@Jason I agree, it's not original. However, I'm not a marketer and this isn't a marketing effort. As I mentioned to Sean, I'm just being a smart-ass and providing a choice in search engines. This has nothing to do with Microsoft's marketing efforts.
Requesting Gravatar... TD Oct 19, 2009 10:34 AM
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Jeez, lighten up, people! I got a chuckle out of it.
Requesting Gravatar... Frank Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM
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Ignore the hate, keep doing your thing and have fun :)
Requesting Gravatar... Wade Oct 19, 2009 2:52 PM
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Doesn't handle quotes very well, they end up html encoded in the animation.
Requesting Gravatar... Immo Oct 19, 2009 6:38 PM
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Very cool website and idea ;) I hope nobody comes from Microsoft and look to your good photos. A perfect clone!!!
Requesting Gravatar... Andrew Pritchard Oct 19, 2009 7:17 PM
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Boy, tough crowd. I must have missed the part in the post that tried to pass letmebingthatforyou off as a totally original idea. At least a few people found it entertaining. I for one had never heard of lmgtfy.com, so now I've got two fun new ways of being a smart ass when "inquisitive idiots" (thanks @Matt Hinze - love it!!) come calling. Thanks!
Requesting Gravatar... Marko Oct 20, 2009 2:31 AM
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Ok, I admit, I was little over the line, sorry for that. I just reacted on impulse because I really like what you did in past and what are you doing for other developers in .net space.

I do not have rights to criticize you without some innovative online idea/project, that is true also, but here I am taking position as average .net developer that, as I said, really like new directions that ms is taking in web development. So, when I am opening haacked.com, I am expecting to see new things and thoughts about how we can more improve tools and practices and when I see something like "Let me bing that for you" which is, lets be honest about that, just pure bing(ms) marketing, well...you know :)

I do not know, maybe it is better to "if you don't have something nice to say, don't talk", on the other side, maybe comments on blog are built just for that-to honestly tell what you think, as I did.

anyway
Cheers and no hard feelings :)
Marko
Requesting Gravatar... Haacked Oct 20, 2009 1:46 PM
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@Marko no hard feelings taken!

Honestly, I have no relation to the Bing team or its marketing structure. However, I will admit I like Bing. They have a lot of nice touches (like the picture on the homepage). In fact, I made it the default search engine in Google Chrome. ;)

I didn't do this to promote Bing, but to offer choices as I mentioned earlier. For example, if I'm going to be a smart ass to other Microsofties in mail threads, they might prefer the fact that I used Bing (via letmebingthatforyou.com) might soften the sting.

This was literally a lark we put together and I didn't mean for it to sound like it was some sort of big deal. Lesson learned for next time as I was quite taken aback by some of the negative reactions I received. But I take it all in stride. :)
Requesting Gravatar... bob Oct 21, 2009 12:03 AM
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is this moderated?
Requesting Gravatar... markus Oct 27, 2009 5:10 PM
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hehe nice. cool idea i like it.
Requesting Gravatar... EricSB Nov 01, 2009 4:25 AM
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Any links to source code? I'm carious to see how you retrieved the daily Bing image as I had to do something simliar. :)
Requesting Gravatar... Andrew Nov 09, 2009 1:35 AM
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Wow, I'm amazed at the negative responses to something that you and some buddies spit out in your spare time.

Phil, one thing you need to rememeber is that the negative reactions are the vocal minority, most people really don't care about this sort of stuff. If you make a site that is a parody (or copy) of an existing site and you generate a bit of traffic, then good on you.

Requesting Gravatar... Alicia Mergo Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM
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You had great idea purchasing this domain. Sometimes you must act quickly to earn something and purchasing specific domain names seems just right thing to do. Even if you don't want to use them all the time you could sell them for satisfying amount of money.
Requesting Gravatar... ReTox Mar 04, 2010 10:22 PM
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Pathetic and unoriginal... just a pollution

As Steve said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw

(no, I'm not a Mac user)
Requesting Gravatar... Joel Nov 01, 2010 6:11 AM
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There's so many negative comments. :(

Yeah, you did copy someone's idea, but I don't think that is bad. I was doing a lmgtfy and thought "what an ugly interface... I wonder if someone made a Bing version..."

I would like to say thank you for such a good and useful website.

Only suggestion I have is to use an Aero style cursor with a shadow (probably a PNG).

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