RAS Syndrome

Photo by lizerixt on stock.xchng http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1005758 Yesterday, I wrote a post that contained the phrase “BFFs Forever” in the title. Commenters were quick to point out the redundancy of “Forever” in the title.

Nice - BTW, your title is redundant, so your title reads “IronRuby and ASP.NET Best Friends Forever Forever”

Thanks! But I had made the very same point in that post.

And for those that don’t know, BFF is an acronym for Best Friends Forever. Yes, the “Forever” is redundant in the blog title, but it’s just how people use it.

Case in point, how often do you hear the phrase “PIN Number” which expands to “Personal Identification Number Number”. I started looking for other examples of such redundant acronyms and sure enough, there’s a term for them and a wikipedia article describing them.

RAS syndrome stands for "Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome," and refers to the use of one of the words that make up an initialism or acronym as well as the abbreviation itself, thus in effect repeating that word. It is itself a humorous example of a redundant acronym.

And in case you didn’t notice, “RAS Syndrome” is itself humorously a RAS. The Wikipedia article points to other great examples.

  • ATM machine
  • HIV virus
  • ISBN number
  • CSS style sheets
  • Please RSVP
  • CNN Network

The article references another page with a collection of more redundant acronyms.

  • LAN network
  • DAT tape
  • RF frequency
  • UPC code

It’s not surprising that most of these come from the technology field as we tend to be very acronym happy and love our TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms).

So now it is my turn to coin a RAS. I am going to call it PCS syndrome which stands for “Premature Correction Syndrome syndrome.” This describes the condition in one is compelled to interject with a correction without having read through the rest of the contents, especially when the author offers an explanation for the seemingly erroneous item. ;)

I’m only teasing because PCS happens to me a lot. I find that the comments to many of my blog posts tend to focus on some irrelevant miniscule detail rather than the topic at hand. Which I’m not necessarily opposed to because that provides great fodder for future blog posts!

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Requesting Gravatar... Jonas Stawski Jun 13, 2008 1:42 AM
# re: RAS Syndrome
NIC Card => Network Interface Card Card
Requesting Gravatar... Michael Jun 13, 2008 1:57 AM
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Love it! A nice humorous finish to my Fri afternoon.
Requesting Gravatar... Andrew January Jun 13, 2008 2:02 AM
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ATMOS Systems => Atmospheric Omission System
Requesting Gravatar... Lou Jun 13, 2008 2:18 AM
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Someone should really come up with a name for when you comment without reading the entire post.
Requesting Gravatar... Vijay Santhanam Jun 13, 2008 2:21 AM
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PIN Number => Personal Identification Number Number
Requesting Gravatar... Ryan Smith Jun 13, 2008 2:36 AM
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Funny that we don't say TLA Acronyms however...huh...

I shall ponder this...over coffee and frosted Circus Animal cookies.
Requesting Gravatar... edddy Jun 13, 2008 3:12 AM
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LOL! BPE ever! (Best Post Ever ever :)
Requesting Gravatar... Ang3lFir3 Jun 13, 2008 3:29 AM
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@Lou maybe we should call it PCS Syndrome (premature correction syndrome syndrome)... LOL :p

@Haacked... love it... great for a fri-13th



LOL TLA is my fav TLA ever!!
Requesting Gravatar... Sergio Pereira Jun 13, 2008 4:13 AM
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Your post title is redundant. The S in RAS stands for Syndrome. Actually, Wikipedia has an entire page about that. You should pay more attention, Mr Haack.
Oh, wait!
Requesting Gravatar... Michael Jun 13, 2008 5:26 AM
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Phil I hope you're not thinking about these sort of things on company time :)
Requesting Gravatar... haacked Jun 13, 2008 6:03 AM
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@Nice one Sergio. :)
Requesting Gravatar... HeartattacK Jun 13, 2008 6:30 AM
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@Ang3lFir3: I think Lou's comment was a joke :D:D
Requesting Gravatar... Adam Jun 13, 2008 7:33 AM
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I will now forever more refer to TLAs as TLA Acronyms.
Requesting Gravatar... David Arno Jun 14, 2008 2:55 AM
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I've always thought that "RAS Syndrome" is a daft term. The acronym isn't the redundant part; it is the word after the acronym that is redundant. A far more apt term is RPAWS Syndrome (Redundant Post Acronym Syndrome Syndrome). It doesn't roll off the tongue quite so well though.

I personally prefer the term "portmanteau bag" for such acronym-word combinations, but it's a much rarer term. On the web, it only seems to be used in a genuinely tautological fashion, rather than ironically.
Requesting Gravatar... Scott Galloway Jun 14, 2008 5:48 AM
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The one I always liked is PHP, an intentional Recursive acronym...from The Font of all Knowledge (Wikipedia):
PHP (a recursive acronym for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor)
Requesting Gravatar... Elad Jun 14, 2008 6:24 AM
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CMS system => Content management system system
Requesting Gravatar... David Arno Jun 14, 2008 6:42 AM
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@Scott - recursive acronyms are an ancient (by computer standards) art, dating back at least to 1978. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) is the most famous from that time, but there were others that pre-date it. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym for an idea of how many there are out there.
Requesting Gravatar... Matt Jun 14, 2008 8:44 AM
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The one that kills me (cuz it's redundant twice): TCP/IP protocol

Watch out for ETLAs (Extended Three Letter Acronyms. Or four letter acronyms)
Requesting Gravatar... David Arno Jun 14, 2008 10:13 PM
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@Matt,

Surely they are FLSFs (Four Letter Shortened Forms)
Requesting Gravatar... Tim Hustler Jun 15, 2008 10:00 PM
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how about MIDI Interface?

Musical Instrument Digital Interface Interface
Requesting Gravatar... Thomas Freudenberg Jun 15, 2008 10:20 PM
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My favorite is LCD display (Liquid Crystal Display display)
Requesting Gravatar... Scott Jun 17, 2008 1:16 AM
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I can't help but notice your improper pluralizing of the phrase BFF. If you expand it out into its component part's, you'll notice that the phrase "Best Friends Forevers" isn't grammatically correct. So, technically it should read "BFF Forever". This minor nitpick ruined the article for me and completely invalidated your post. You can go ahead and fix that now.

Perhaps you should coin a phrase for the act of correcting a post without having read the complete post?
;)
Requesting Gravatar... Robz Jun 17, 2008 1:42 PM
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PFT Test - Physical Fitness Test Test. Also called a PT Test.

@Scott - The pluralizing actually happens in more places that you may have previously noticed. I think the adding the "s" at the end makes things easier to roll off of the tongue. Although it is technically incorrect, it is easier to say. "We are BFF!" vs. "We are BFFs!" Someone might think I was retarded saying either, but moreso the former than the latter.

The military tends to do this in many places after converting to acronyms. The military is notoriously just as bad about acronyms as IT. At least IT doesn't change their lingo every three years [yet]!

PTs - The uniform worn when doing Physical Training (PT).
Legitimate usage: "We wear PTs when we do PT."
The term PTs as Physical Trainings doesn't make any sense unless you understand it is in reference to the clothing you wear for PT.

BDUs - Battle Dress Uniform[s], but you are talking about a singular set.
Legitimate usage: "I am wearing BDUs."

ACUs - Army Combat Uniform[s] - same as above.
Requesting Gravatar... Robz Jun 17, 2008 1:57 PM
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The term PTs as Physical Trainings doesn't make any sense unless you understand it is in reference to the clothing you wear for PT.

Correction:
Even then, it still doesn't make any sense...
Requesting Gravatar... Lee Brandt Jun 21, 2008 4:14 PM
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GCO Outlet => Georgia Carpet Outlet Outlet
DSW Warehouse => Designer Shoe Warehouse Warehouse
These are my wives big pet peeve

~Lee
Requesting Gravatar... Pablo Marambio Aug 12, 2008 1:58 AM
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Hilarious!
Requesting Gravatar... Craige Mar 25, 2009 1:39 PM
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I wonder: what is the deepest recursive acronym we could dig up in the case where the acronym referrers to another acronym? Would be interesting to find out...

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